• 30 super carry

    From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to ALL on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 19:38:00

    Any thoughts on this newly annouced cartridge?

    My EDC is a .40 Shield and I have been interested in
    swapping to a micro 9 to get the much higher capacity...

    My wife has a SIG 365 XL w/a Romeo Zero, so whatever
    I get I want it to have a flat trigger and a plate
    for red dot. I finally put my hands on a Taurus G4
    yesterday and a Shield Plus. After carrying the
    Shield, the Shield Plus 'felt' better than the Taurus,
    so I am leaning that way...

    I like my wife's SIG, but the Shield fits my hand a
    little better. Then today, Smith annouces on Twitter
    that the link to the 30 super carry pistols, including
    the Shield Plus holding FIFTEEN rounds and the EZ
    holding 10. I'm highly impressed! :-)




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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to JIMMY ANDERSON on Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:43:00
    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to ALL <=-

    Any thoughts on this newly annouced cartridge?

    My EDC is a .40 Shield and I have been interested in
    swapping to a micro 9 to get the much higher capacity...

    I think that's a smart move.

    My wife has a SIG 365 XL w/a Romeo Zero, so whatever
    I get I want it to have a flat trigger and a plate
    for red dot. I finally put my hands on a Taurus G4
    yesterday and a Shield Plus. After carrying the
    Shield, the Shield Plus 'felt' better than the Taurus,
    so I am leaning that way...

    My opinion is that the Shield is a FAR superior gun.

    I like my wife's SIG, but the Shield fits my hand a
    little better. Then today, Smith annouces on Twitter
    that the link to the 30 super carry pistols, including
    the Shield Plus holding FIFTEEN rounds and the EZ
    holding 10. I'm highly impressed! :-)

    I'm also interested in the Shield Plus in this caliber. Currently I'm
    using the Shield Plus in 9mm, which holds 10 rounds in the small
    magazine and 13 in the large. I only carry it with the smaller mag
    though. My only concern is the comparison between ballistics on the 9mm
    vs the 30 Super Carry ... I've always believed, for example, that the
    .380 is underpowered for carry use and would never use one. The 30SC
    has a lighter bullet and decent speed, so the energy is close to the
    9mm, and it might be the sweet spot in that regard. Going to wait a bit
    and read up on real-world usage and reviews on the caliber.

    Another possible contender is the brand new S&W 'CSX' pistol which is an all-steel hammer gun, even smaller than the Shield, and also in 30SC...


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to GAMGEE on Friday, January 21, 2022 13:08:00
    GAMGEE wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    My wife has a SIG 365 XL w/a Romeo Zero, so whatever
    I get I want it to have a flat trigger and a plate
    for red dot. I finally put my hands on a Taurus G4
    yesterday and a Shield Plus. After carrying the
    Shield, the Shield Plus 'felt' better than the Taurus,
    so I am leaning that way...

    My opinion is that the Shield is a FAR superior gun.

    Yeah - hard to beat the quality... I'm not a Taurus hater,
    and I think it's fine for its price, but I'm leaning
    toward the Smith...

    I like my wife's SIG, but the Shield fits my hand a
    little better. Then today, Smith annouces on Twitter
    that the link to the 30 super carry pistols, including
    the Shield Plus holding FIFTEEN rounds and the EZ
    holding 10. I'm highly impressed! :-)

    I'm also interested in the Shield Plus in this caliber. Currently I'm using the Shield Plus in 9mm, which holds 10 rounds in the small
    magazine and 13 in the large. I only carry it with the smaller mag though.

    I actually carry the .40 with the 7 round magazine - the larger one. It
    fits my hand better and keeps my pinky from falling off. LOL

    My only concern is the comparison between ballistics on the
    9mm vs the 30 Super Carry ... I've always believed, for example, that
    the .380 is underpowered for carry use and would never use one.

    I won't say I would NEVER use one, but I agree that I'd rather carry
    something heavier. I've thought about the .380 LCP Max as a 'pocket'
    gun when it's not where I can easily carry the Shield.

    That being said, the 30SC has been compared to the .327 Federal Magnum,
    and I received an email today where Taurus has annouced a snubby revolver
    in that chambering!

    The
    30SC has a lighter bullet and decent speed, so the energy is close to
    the 9mm, and it might be the sweet spot in that regard. Going to wait
    a bit and read up on real-world usage and reviews on the caliber.

    I'd like to have my .40, a 9mm Plus and a 30SC Plus side by side and shoot
    all thee of them, but that's not likely to happen. :-)

    Another possible contender is the brand new S&W 'CSX' pistol which is
    an all-steel hammer gun, even smaller than the Shield, and also in
    30SC...

    Hmm... I missed the fact that it's going to be available in 30SC - thought
    it was 9mm only! Will be going to check that out now...

    Gun show in Jackson, TN tomorrow. Hadn't planned to go, just because most
    stuff is still way over priced, but I'm thinking about going just to see
    some stuff. :-)






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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to JIMMY ANDERSON on Friday, January 21, 2022 16:34:00
    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    Another possible contender is the brand new S&W 'CSX' pistol which is
    an all-steel hammer gun, even smaller than the Shield, and also in
    30SC...

    Hmm... I missed the fact that it's going to be available in 30SC
    - thought it was 9mm only! Will be going to check that out now...

    Ooops, my mistake. Just checked and it is indeed only 9mm.

    Gun show in Jackson, TN tomorrow. Hadn't planned to go, just
    because most stuff is still way over priced, but I'm thinking
    about going just to see some stuff. :-)

    Always a good idea, and a good time! ;-)



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to JIMMY ANDERSON on Friday, January 21, 2022 23:47:00
    Re: 30 super carry
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to ALL on Wed Jan 19 2022 07:38 pm


    Any thoughts on this newly annouced cartridge?

    My EDC is a .40 Shield and I have been interested in
    swapping to a micro 9 to get the much higher capacity...

    My wife has a SIG 365 XL w/a Romeo Zero, so whatever
    I get I want it to have a flat trigger and a plate
    for red dot. I finally put my hands on a Taurus G4
    yesterday and a Shield Plus. After carrying the
    Shield, the Shield Plus 'felt' better than the Taurus,
    so I am leaning that way...

    I like my wife's SIG, but the Shield fits my hand a
    little better. Then today, Smith annouces on Twitter
    that the link to the 30 super carry pistols, including
    the Shield Plus holding FIFTEEN rounds and the EZ
    holding 10. I'm highly impressed! :-)




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    I haven't looked into any reviews on the new cartridge, but it looks like ligh t, fast bullet. 100 grain at 1215fps. 12 rds fitting in the space 10 rounds
    of 9mm take up. Choice of defensive projectile shouldn't be too hard.

    Regarding reloading, I wonder if the 110gr bullets used for reloading .30 carbine would work for plinking ammo?

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to GAMGEE on Saturday, January 22, 2022 11:11:00
    GAMGEE wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    Another possible contender is the brand new S&W 'CSX' pistol which is
    an all-steel hammer gun, even smaller than the Shield, and also in
    30SC...

    Hmm... I missed the fact that it's going to be available in 30SC
    - thought it was 9mm only! Will be going to check that out now...

    Ooops, my mistake. Just checked and it is indeed only 9mm.

    Maybe they will though - would be a good platform!

    LCP Max - wonder if that would too? Or maybe too much power for
    that little frame...

    Gun show in Jackson, TN tomorrow. Hadn't planned to go, just
    because most stuff is still way over priced, but I'm thinking
    about going just to see some stuff. :-)

    Always a good idea, and a good time! ;-)

    Yeah - wife is not the outgoing type, and crowds make her nervous.
    She's offered to go, but I don't want to drag her there, and I don't
    want to pay good money and then have to rush through. :-)




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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to MOONDOG on Saturday, January 22, 2022 11:12:00
    MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    I haven't looked into any reviews on the new cartridge, but it looks
    like ligh t, fast bullet. 100 grain at 1215fps. 12 rds fitting in the space 10 rounds of 9mm take up. Choice of defensive projectile
    shouldn't be too hard.

    Agreed.

    Regarding reloading, I wonder if the 110gr bullets used for reloading
    .30 carbine would work for plinking ammo?

    I don't currently reload, but been interested. Might be a good one
    to learn on? :-)





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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tuesday, January 25, 2022 12:09:00
    Re: Re: 30 super carry
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to MOONDOG on Sat Jan 22 2022 11:12 am

    MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    I haven't looked into any reviews on the new cartridge, but it looks like ligh t, fast bullet. 100 grain at 1215fps. 12 rds fitting in the space 10 rounds of 9mm take up. Choice of defensive projectile shouldn't be too hard.

    Agreed.

    Regarding reloading, I wonder if the 110gr bullets used for reloading .30 carbine would work for plinking ammo?

    I don't currently reload, but been interested. Might be a good one
    to learn on? :-)





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    Pistol cartridges are easy to start with. Since there is no bottleneck to wor ry about,you can buy carbide dies and not worry about sizing lube.

    First step is to resize and de-prime. A cartridge's diameter is less than the
    chamber diameter in order to fit. When fired, the case diameter will expand
    a little to un do the slight crimp placed on the projectile when fired. it must be re-sized to factory specs. It gets placed in a die with an expander ball, so the inside and outside are set. A de-priming pin is on the end of trhe expander ball, which pushes out the primer via the flash hole.

    Next step I do is clean with a tumbler. The tumbler uses a media such
    as ground corn cob or crushed walnut hulls with a bit of polishing compound
    to remove oxidation and other grit from the outside of cases.

    Next stp is belling the mouth of the case. When a case is re-sized, it is slightly under-sized, so the projectile will barely fit. Belling the mouth opens it slightly to allow the bullet to fit without scraping the case mouth.

    Next step is priming. A primer is a small cup which consists of a cup and anvil in which which the explosive priming compound sits. Striking the cup with the firing pin will pinch it against the anvil, setting off the primer. if it is new brass the primer pocket might need a crimp removed. Otherwise
    the tool pushes it in easily.

    Next in the powder charging stage. A powder measure and scale are used to measure the amount of powder as indicated by the manual. it is poured into
    the case with a funnel.

    Once filled, it is time to cap the case with a bullet, and seat and crimp
    with the seating die.

    Bottleneck cartridges like most rifles shoot require the case to be lubed in order to be inserted in the die and push back the should of the case, then trimmed afterwards to remove any worked brass that may have stretched. if
    the case is too long it may cause chambering problems or push on the bullet
    and create pressure issues when firing. The sizing die needs to be removed afterwards, so a cleaning stage is required rather than being optional. Straight walled pistol cases do not stretch as much, if any.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to MOONDOG on Sunday, January 30, 2022 22:36:00
    MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-


    Regarding reloading, I wonder if the 110gr bullets used for reloading .30 carbine would work for plinking ammo?

    I don't currently reload, but been interested. Might be a good one
    to learn on? :-)

    Pistol cartridges are easy to start with. Since there is no bottleneck
    to wor ry about,you can buy carbide dies and not worry about sizing
    lube.

    <snipped lots of GREAT info!!!>

    WOW! Thank you! Since I've not done any loading, I wasn't sure what all
    would be required... I've been saving the .45 Colt brass from my wife's
    Judge, in the event that I load some 'cowboy rounds,' so sounds like
    those would be decent to do as well (straight walled).

    Thank you for the info! Gave me a lot to chew on!



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to JIMMY ANDERSON on Saturday, February 05, 2022 20:45:00
    Re: Re: 30 super carry
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to MOONDOG on Sun Jan 30 2022 10:36 pm

    MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-


    Regarding reloading, I wonder if the 110gr bullets used for reloadin .30 carbine would work for plinking ammo?

    I don't currently reload, but been interested. Might be a good one
    to learn on? :-)

    Pistol cartridges are easy to start with. Since there is no bottleneck to wor ry about,you can buy carbide dies and not worry about sizing lube.

    <snipped lots of GREAT info!!!>

    WOW! Thank you! Since I've not done any loading, I wasn't sure what all would be required... I've been saving the .45 Colt brass from my wife's Judge, in the event that I load some 'cowboy rounds,' so sounds like
    those would be decent to do as well (straight walled).

    Thank you for the info! Gave me a lot to chew on!



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    The RCBS Rebel Plus reloading kit has all you need to start. A scale is important, and the cheaper kits do not come with one. Well, Lee has a kit
    with ascale which is cheaper, however the RCBS press and equipment is better built. I have some Lee items and they'll do the job, but the RCBS stuff
    feels more solid and will last longer.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to MOONDOG on Wednesday, February 23, 2022 11:45:00
    MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-


    The RCBS Rebel Plus reloading kit has all you need to start. A scale
    is important, and the cheaper kits do not come with one. Well, Lee has
    a kit with ascale which is cheaper, however the RCBS press and
    equipment is better built. I have some Lee items and they'll do the
    job, but the RCBS stuff feels more solid and will last longer.

    Understood - thanks again!!!



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