• Car worth

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 09:01:00
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    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Wed Sep 07 2022 09:26 pm

    Our family car cost $37K. Have that for 20 years, max, that is nearly $2000 a year amortised. Add to that $1000 per year for insurance, $800 per year registration. Add parking fees, servicing, approx $500 - $1000 a year, depending if there are repairs, damange to fix. Petrol, I estimate $30 a week. 52 weeks a year that is about $1500.

    That is, what, $5,800 a year, conservatively speaking. That is just one car, we have another. That car is cheaper, but we still at several thousand dollars sunk cost a year, not too far inside $10,000 per annum.

    Excluded from this is our tax dollars going to fund roads and car infrastructure.

    Are we getting our moneys worth? How long do I spend at work to earn that money? The car saves me time here and there, but I have to spend a LOT of time to earn the money to pay for it.

    Based on this, it doesn't seem that great after all.

    The alternative would be public transportation or taxi/uber/lyft/etc. If those are available to you and you can take them to work, etc., you'll probably spend more time using those than you would driving your own car. And if you wanted to go on a road trip somewhere, you'd probably want to rent a car. You'd have to weigh all that vs. owning a car.

    Also, there are a lot of cars that cost less than $37K, even new. You can also find a used car for a fairly good price sometimes.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MINDS3 to Nightfox on Thursday, September 08, 2022 23:56:00
    Re: Car worth
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Wed Sep 07 2022 09:01 am

    Our family car cost $37K. Have that for 20 years, max, that is nearly $2000 a year amortised. Add to that $1000 per year for insurance, $800 per year registration. Add parking fees, servicing, approx $500 - $1000 a year, depending if there are repairs, damange to fix. Petrol, I estimate $30 a week. 52 weeks a year that is about $1500.

    That is, what, $5,800 a year, conservatively speaking. That is just one car, we have another. That car is cheaper, but we still at several thousand dollars sunk cost a year, not too far inside $10,000 per annum.

    Excluded from this is our tax dollars going to fund roads and car infrastructure.

    Are we getting our moneys worth? How long do I spend at work to earn that money? The car saves me time here and there, but I have to spend a LOT of time to earn the money to pay for it.

    Based on this, it doesn't seem that great after all.

    The alternative would be public transportation or taxi/uber/lyft/etc. If those are available to you and you can take them to work, etc., you'll probably spend more time using those than you would driving your own car. And if you wanted to go on a road trip somewhere, you'd probably want to rent a car. You'd have to weigh all that vs. owning a car.

    Also, there are a lot of cars that cost less than $37K, even new. You can also find a used car for a fairly good price sometimes.


    Second hand cars are barely cheaper now. We could have gotten a cheaper car back then, but the decision wasn't solely mine.

    The good alternative does not exist yet. I don't understand how the Western world has totally lost any sense of creativity and imagination. Its as if people are unable to see any potential future which is not exactly like how things are now.

    We need a new approach to urban design. Lyft/Uber are not the solution. The solution is better placement of services, of buildings, better planning of trannsportation and urban design which isn't based upon simply laying out a road network and putting houses in the spaces between roads. We need something more radical that ride sharing apps and Elon Musks lame visions.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Thursday, September 08, 2022 08:33:00
    Re: Car worth
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Thu Sep 08 2022 11:56 pm

    Second hand cars are barely cheaper now. We could have gotten a cheaper car back then, but the decision wasn't solely mine.

    The market is weird right now due to the covid situation. Hopefully, manufacturing will pick back up and prices will go back more to normal (hopefully...).

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Thursday, September 08, 2022 16:53:00
    Re: Car worth
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Thu Sep 08 2022 11:56 pm


    We need a new approach to urban design. Lyft/Uber are not the solution.
    The solution is better placement of services, of buildings, better planning of trannsportation and urban design which isn't based upon simply laying out a road network and putting houses in the spaces between roads. We need something more radical that ride sharing apps and Elon Musks lame visions.

    honestly i don't think we do need that. things are working just fine the way they are.

    and that's not how urban design works everywhere.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, September 08, 2022 16:57:00
    Re: Car worth
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Thu Sep 08 2022 08:33 am

    Re: Car worth
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Thu Sep 08 2022 11:56 pm

    Second hand cars are barely cheaper now. We could have gotten a cheaper car back then, but the decision wasn't solely mine.

    The market is weird right now due to the covid situation. Hopefully, manufacturing will pick back up and prices will go back more to normal (hopefully...).


    exactly, it hasn't always been like this and it will go back to how it was.
    we are living in crazy times.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thursday, September 08, 2022 07:16:00
    Nightfox wrote to Boraxman <=-

    own car. And if you wanted to go on a road trip somewhere, you'd
    probably want to rent a car. You'd have to weigh all that vs. owning a car.

    I went to school in San Francisco, and I owned a car. Parking permits at school, then when I moved off-campus, inevitable parking tickets as SF has a relatively complicated street cleaning schedule that can change street by street. First and Third Thursdays from 2:00am to 4:00am?

    Parking was always a challenge.

    Add insurance and gas, and repairs - although I drove a beater VW Rabbit,
    not much more than oil changes and filters.

    Other friends of mine took the bus, as San Francisco has a robust transit system. They'd rent cars when they needed to, and while seeming extravagent
    at the time, when I thought about it, it ended up costing them less in the end.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MINDS3 to MRO on Saturday, September 10, 2022 00:07:00
    Re: Car worth
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu Sep 08 2022 04:53 pm

    We need a new approach to urban design. Lyft/Uber are not the solution. The solution is better placement of services, of buildings, better planning of trannsportation and urban design which isn't based upon simply laying out a road network and putting houses in the spaces between roads. We need something more radical that ride sharing apps and Elon Musks lame visions.

    honestly i don't think we do need that. things are working just fine the way they are.

    and that's not how urban design works everywhere.

    Well, they're not working here.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, September 09, 2022 09:11:00
    On 9/8/22 07:16, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:

    I went to school in San Francisco, and I owned a car.
    ...
    Other friends of mine took the bus, as San Francisco has a robust
    transit system. They'd rent cars when they needed to, and while
    seeming extravagent at the time, when I thought about it, it ended
    up costing them less in the end.

    SF and NYC are two places I definitely would not own a car... for that
    matter, wouldn't even rent one there.

    Went to SF for a conference, the parking fees wound up being more than
    my hotel room between the facility parking and the hotel parking. I
    suspect it's very similar in NYC. Been back to SF a few times, and
    other then driving through SF on highway road trips, would never drive
    myself in SF again... pedestrians don't even look, they just walk into
    the road at any given point.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Friday, September 09, 2022 16:55:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Sep 09 2022 09:11 am

    other then driving through SF on highway road trips, would never drive myself in SF again... pedestrians don't even look, they just walk into
    the road at any given point.

    that's because they want to die. SF is shitty [literally].

    I used to live near a highschool and the kids would do that shit.
    I would put a scare into them.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Friday, September 09, 2022 07:39:00
    Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Second hand cars are barely cheaper now. We could have gotten a
    cheaper car back then, but the decision wasn't solely mine.

    Yeah, but that's artificial market influence. I'm sure they'll contrive a
    new crisis to keep prices high, though.

    The good alternative does not exist yet. I don't understand how the Western world has totally lost any sense of creativity and imagination.
    Its as if people are unable to see any potential future which is not exactly like how things are now.

    We need a new approach to urban design. Lyft/Uber are not the
    solution. The solution is better placement of services, of buildings, better planning of trannsportation and urban design which isn't based
    upon simply laying out a road network and putting houses in the spaces between roads. We need something more radical that ride sharing apps
    and Elon Musks lame visions.

    There's a podcast called the Kunstlercast, by James Howard Kunstler. He's a peak oil expert and fiction author who's written books about life after oil.

    He interviews urban planners and scientists with interesting ideas for urban renewal, with some interesting discussions about the renewal activities in Detroit and other Rust Belt cities.

    Definitely worth a listen. His book, "World Made by Hand" is an interesting view of a post-oil, post-electricity, post-internet, post-order America.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Friday, September 09, 2022 07:39:00
    Nightfox wrote to Boraxman <=-

    The market is weird right now due to the covid situation. Hopefully, manufacturing will pick back up and prices will go back more to normal (hopefully...).

    One thing we've learned - prices never go back.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:30:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Sep 09 2022 07:39 am

    The market is weird right now due to the covid situation.
    Hopefully, manufacturing will pick back up and prices will go back
    more to normal (hopefully...).

    One thing we've learned - prices never go back.

    Yeah, they probably won't go back.. It's rather unfortunate.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, September 11, 2022 16:21:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Sep 11 2022 12:30 pm

    more to normal (hopefully...).

    One thing we've learned - prices never go back.

    Yeah, they probably won't go back.. It's rather unfortunate.


    they will go back if people stop buying.
    it's been like this with milk, soda, breakfast cereals and other things.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MINDS3 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, September 12, 2022 20:34:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Fri Sep 09 2022 07:39 am

    Second hand cars are barely cheaper now. We could have gotten a cheaper car back then, but the decision wasn't solely mine.

    Yeah, but that's artificial market influence. I'm sure they'll contrive a new crisis to keep prices high, though.


    It will take a while for there to be enough second hand cars to drive prices down. I think we'll see elevated prices for years to come yet.

    One thing that will keep prices high may be new regulations designed to phase out older cars and transition to newer, electric cars.

    The good alternative does not exist yet. I don't understand how the Western world has totally lost any sense of creativity and imagination.
    Its as if people are unable to see any potential future which is not exactly like how things are now.

    We need a new approach to urban design. Lyft/Uber are not the solution. The solution is better placement of services, of buildings, better planning of trannsportation and urban design which isn't based upon simply laying out a road network and putting houses in the spaces between roads. We need something more radical that ride sharing apps and Elon Musks lame visions.

    There's a podcast called the Kunstlercast, by James Howard Kunstler. He's a peak oil expert and fiction author who's written books about life after oil.

    He interviews urban planners and scientists with interesting ideas for urban renewal, with some interesting discussions about the renewal activities in Detroit and other Rust Belt cities.

    Definitely worth a listen. His book, "World Made by Hand" is an interesting view of a post-oil, post-electricity, post-internet, post-order America.


    I've seen a video where he is talking on urban design. I do know of his podcast, and have listened to quite a few episodes. In fact, I've a got a couple lined up in my playlist right now.

    We need to be more imaginative, reignite that inventive spark. We aren't that creative anymore as a civilisation. All the new 'solutions' are really just business models masquerading as solutions.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Boraxman on Monday, September 12, 2022 17:11:00
    Re: Car worth
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat Sep 10 2022 12:07 am

    and that's not how urban design works everywhere.

    Well, they're not working here.


    This is the problem I was mentioning earlier: that people from populated areas have problems with transports and logistics and project them to places with no transport and logistics issues.

    A lot of cities around here had no trouble with transport and logistics until somebody decided they had to fix transport and logistics, cut streets to traffic, and ended up generating a problem.

    Obviously, if you city has problems with transport it would be great to fix them, but that does not mean civilitation at large has to redesign their whole transport system because New York and San Francisco suck.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Boraxman on Monday, September 12, 2022 19:51:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 12 2022 08:34 pm

    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Fri Sep 09 2022 07:39 am

    Second hand cars are barely cheaper now. We could have gotten a cheaper car back then, but the decision wasn't solely mine.

    Yeah, but that's artificial market influence. I'm sure they'll contrive a new crisis to keep prices high, though.


    It will take a while for there to be enough second hand cars to drive prices

    One thing that will keep prices high may be new regulations designed to phas

    The good alternative does not exist yet. I don't understand how the Western world has totally lost any sense of creativity and imaginati
    Its as if people are unable to see any potential future which is no exactly like how things are now.

    We need a new approach to urban design. Lyft/Uber are not the solution. The solution is better placement of services, of building better planning of trannsportation and urban design which isn't base upon simply laying out a road network and putting houses in the spac between roads. We need something more radical that ride sharing app and Elon Musks lame visions.

    There's a podcast called the Kunstlercast, by James Howard Kunstler. He's peak oil expert and fiction author who's written books about life after o

    He interviews urban planners and scientists with interesting ideas for ur renewal, with some interesting discussions about the renewal activities i Detroit and other Rust Belt cities.

    Definitely worth a listen. His book, "World Made by Hand" is an interesti view of a post-oil, post-electricity, post-internet, post-order America.


    I've seen a video where he is talking on urban design. I do know of his pod

    We need to be more imaginative, reignite that inventive spark. We aren't th

    A few year's back I was reading an article in an off road magazin, and the wri. ter was in search of new vehicle, but wanted to go simple and cheap. The requirement was something he could drive to work and back, and do occasional towing and hauling. He did the math, and it was cheaper to restore a square body Chevy truck from the 70's and 80's by nearly half of a new pickup.
    other than a Duramax recovered from a totaled truck, the rest was a conservative build. He sourced a truck from out West that had little rust,
    and performed a frame up restoration. Any body panels he couldn't source
    from a scrap yard he could get from aftermarket restoration companies.
    The suspension was worn, and had to be all replaced. Kits are made to adapt newer motors to older vehicles, dropping in the diesel and transmission
    wasn't as problematic as expected.

    I have wondered if there is a car model equivalent to the square body Chevy's
    - a model that at one time a popular seller or body/ frame that would be easy to find parts for. Find one that has quite a bit of life int he engine, or fi nd a candidate to rebuild. I'm guessing there's 20+ year old Toyota or Honda that could be rebuilt from the frame up, yet cost less than a new car yet be
    as reliable

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Monday, September 12, 2022 23:24:00
    Re: Car worth
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Mon Sep 12 2022 05:11 pm

    Re: Car worth
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat Sep 10 2022 12:07 am

    and that's not how urban design works everywhere.

    Well, they're not working here.


    This is the problem I was mentioning earlier: that people from populated are have problems with transports and logistics and project them to places with transport and logistics issues.

    A lot of cities around here had no trouble with transport and logistics unti somebody decided they had to fix transport and logistics, cut streets to traffic, and ended up generating a problem.

    Obviously, if you city has problems with transport it would be great to fix them, but that does not mean civilitation at large has to redesign their who transport system because New York and San Francisco suck.

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    Over the last 10-15 years I've seen open spaces near highway offramps get turned into industrial parks and warehouse complexes. Places with warehouse
    in town or on the edge move into new buildings closer to the highway. Some fa rmer makes a bundle selling off sub par farm land and it gets turned into a place with close access to the highway. I like this because I don't have to drive into town or around town to the old run down area that used to be the industrial area, and not worry about being robbed or have my car broken into.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Moondog on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 07:33:00
    Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-

    A few year's back I was reading an article in an off road
    magazin, and the wri. ter was in search of new vehicle, but
    wanted to go simple and cheap. The requirement was something he
    could drive to work and back, and do occasional towing and
    hauling. He did the math, and it was cheaper to restore a square
    body Chevy truck from the 70's and 80's by nearly half of a new
    pickup. other than a Duramax recovered from a totaled truck, the
    rest was a conservative build. He sourced a truck from out West
    that had little rust, and performed a frame up restoration. Any
    body panels he couldn't source from a scrap yard he could get
    from aftermarket restoration companies. The suspension was worn,
    and had to be all replaced. Kits are made to adapt newer motors
    to older vehicles, dropping in the diesel and transmission wasn't
    as problematic as expected.

    I have wondered if there is a car model equivalent to the square
    body Chevy's - a model that at one time a popular seller or body/
    frame that would be easy to find parts for. Find one that has
    quite a bit of life int he engine, or fi nd a candidate to
    rebuild. I'm guessing there's 20+ year old Toyota or Honda that
    could be rebuilt from the frame up, yet cost less than a new car
    yet be as reliable

    All of the above assumes a person has the skills to do much of that work themselves. Most people (I would estimate 99%+) do NOT have such
    skills.

    Also you have not factored in the time spent to do such work. My time
    is worth *FAR* more than the "savings" from doing such a job. For
    nearly everyone, buying a new (or used) car that doesn't need any work
    done to it is clearly the better choice.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 16:38:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Gamgee to Moondog on Tue Sep 13 2022 07:33 am

    Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-

    A few year's back I was reading an article in an off road
    magazin, and the wri. ter was in search of new vehicle, but
    wanted to go simple and cheap. The requirement was something he
    could drive to work and back, and do occasional towing and
    hauling. He did the math, and it was cheaper to restore a square
    body Chevy truck from the 70's and 80's by nearly half of a new
    pickup. other than a Duramax recovered from a totaled truck, the
    rest was a conservative build. He sourced a truck from out West
    that had little rust, and performed a frame up restoration. Any
    body panels he couldn't source from a scrap yard he could get
    from aftermarket restoration companies. The suspension was worn,
    and had to be all replaced. Kits are made to adapt newer motors
    to older vehicles, dropping in the diesel and transmission wasn't
    as problematic as expected.

    I have wondered if there is a car model equivalent to the square
    body Chevy's - a model that at one time a popular seller or body/
    frame that would be easy to find parts for. Find one that has
    quite a bit of life int he engine, or fi nd a candidate to
    rebuild. I'm guessing there's 20+ year old Toyota or Honda that
    could be rebuilt from the frame up, yet cost less than a new car
    yet be as reliable

    All of the above assumes a person has the skills to do much of that work themselves. Most people (I would estimate 99%+) do NOT have such
    skills.

    Also you have not factored in the time spent to do such work. My time
    is worth *FAR* more than the "savings" from doing such a job. For
    nearly everyone, buying a new (or used) car that doesn't need any work
    done to it is clearly the better choice.


    ... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.

    If you had a shop do it, it will still cost less than an new truck. A new Chevy 2500 4x4 with a Duramax is $60k usd. A frame up rebuild is less than $40 k usd. If you plan to make a hotrod, that's when the price goes crazy.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Moondog on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 21:21:00
    Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I have wondered if there is a car model equivalent to the square
    body Chevy's - a model that at one time a popular seller or body/
    frame that would be easy to find parts for. Find one that has
    quite a bit of life int he engine, or fi nd a candidate to
    rebuild. I'm guessing there's 20+ year old Toyota or Honda that
    could be rebuilt from the frame up, yet cost less than a new car
    yet be as reliable

    All of the above assumes a person has the skills to do much of that work themselves. Most people (I would estimate 99%+) do NOT have such
    skills.

    Also you have not factored in the time spent to do such work. My time
    is worth *FAR* more than the "savings" from doing such a job. For
    nearly everyone, buying a new (or used) car that doesn't need any work
    done to it is clearly the better choice.

    If you had a shop do it, it will still cost less than an new
    truck. A new Chevy 2500 4x4 with a Duramax is $60k usd. A frame
    up rebuild is less than $40 k usd. If you plan to make a hotrod,
    that's when the price goes crazy.

    I'll take your word for it, but you've still got a truck with parts of
    it that are 20-30 years old. The new one comes with a factory warranty
    and that "new car smell". LOL! I'll pay the extra.



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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Moondog on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 23:35:00
    I have wondered if there is a car model equivalent to the square body Chevy's - a model that at one time a popular seller or body/ frame that would be easy to find parts for. Find one that has quite a bit of life int he engine, or fi nd a candidate to rebuild. I'm guessing there's
    20+ year old Toyota or Honda that could be rebuilt from the frame up,
    yet cost less than a new car yet be as reliable

    If I'm thinking of the same trucks you're talking about here, good luck finding one that's affordable. A 72 C10 costs an arm and a leg these days :/

    As far as a car equivalent, I actually restored a '69 Beetle not long ago. It was super easy to take apart and rebuild the motor, very simple to work on, and I was able to go 70 on the freeway without having to worry about a cooling system since it's air cooled. No power steering, no power brakes, simple light car. It worked very well. The only reason I sold it was because I didn't have space for it at the time, but I miss the hell out of that stupid car lol.

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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Gamgee on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 23:37:00
    All of the above assumes a person has the skills to do much of that work themselves. Most people (I would estimate 99%+) do NOT have such
    skills.

    Not to mention tools! Decent tools aren't cheap.

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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Gamgee on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 23:38:00
    I'll take your word for it, but you've still got a truck with parts of
    it that are 20-30 years old. The new one comes with a factory warranty and that "new car smell". LOL! I'll pay the extra.

    Hehe, conversely, my cars from the 60s have that "gas station + rich exhaust" smell...which I love.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MINDS3 to Arelor on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 22:22:00
    Re: Car worth
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Mon Sep 12 2022 05:11 pm

    Well, they're not working here.


    This is the problem I was mentioning earlier: that people from populated areas have problems with transports and logistics and project them to places with no transport and logistics issues.

    A lot of cities around here had no trouble with transport and logistics until somebody decided they had to fix transport and logistics, cut streets to traffic, and ended up generating a problem.

    Obviously, if you city has problems with transport it would be great to fix them, but that does not mean civilitation at large has to redesign their whole transport system because New York and San Francisco suck.

    --

    Most cities have increasing traffic problems as they grow here in Australia. Our cities were not designed for density, they were designed as per the American model. Spread out suburbs, growing endlessly, serviced only by the car. That starts to become a real problem as the city grows.

    European cities were quite different, as many cities and towns developed prior to the car.

    The problem isn't cities per se, the problem is cities which were designed around the car. That is American cities and Australian cities and probably many others around the world.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MINDS3 to Moondog on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 22:28:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Moondog to Boraxman on Mon Sep 12 2022 07:51 pm

    A few year's back I was reading an article in an off road magazin, and the wri. ter was in search of new vehicle, but wanted to go simple and cheap. The requirement was something he could drive to work and back, and do occasional towing and hauling. He did the math, and it was cheaper to restore a square body Chevy truck from the 70's and 80's by nearly half of a new pickup.
    other than a Duramax recovered from a totaled truck, the rest was a conservative build. He sourced a truck from out West that had little rust, and performed a frame up restoration. Any body panels he couldn't source from a scrap yard he could get from aftermarket restoration companies.
    The suspension was worn, and had to be all replaced. Kits are made to adapt newer motors to older vehicles, dropping in the diesel and transmission wasn't as problematic as expected.

    I have wondered if there is a car model equivalent to the square body Chevy's
    - a model that at one time a popular seller or body/ frame that would be easy to find parts for. Find one that has quite a bit of life int he engine, or fi nd a candidate to rebuild. I'm guessing there's 20+ year old Toyota or Honda that could be rebuilt from the frame up, yet cost less than a new car yet be
    as reliable


    Something like the "framework" laptop? Or the original PC hardware? Something designed to be upgraded? I'm not sure if such a beast exists, but I would definately be in the market for one.

    There wouldn't be much commercial interest in making cars which people can repair or rebuild quite easily. That is not to say they wouldn't sell parts, but they wouldn't sell parts CHEAP.

    This is something that someone left-of-centre like Elon Musk might do. A car you just piece together, can upgrade or fix easily.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to esc on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 07:34:00
    esc wrote to Gamgee <=-

    All of the above assumes a person has the skills to do much of that work themselves. Most people (I would estimate 99%+) do NOT have such
    skills.

    Not to mention tools! Decent tools aren't cheap.

    You're not kidding, and that's just for "hand tools". When you start
    getting into "shop equipment" like engine hoists, etc........ And don't forget pneumatics and welding stuff.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to esc on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 07:35:00
    esc wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I'll take your word for it, but you've still got a truck with parts of
    it that are 20-30 years old. The new one comes with a factory warranty and that "new car smell". LOL! I'll pay the extra.

    Hehe, conversely, my cars from the 60s have that "gas station +
    rich exhaust" smell...which I love.

    I love that smell too, in appropriate vehicles like you've described.
    But not in something built in 2022. :-)



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 12:35:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: esc to Moondog on Tue Sep 13 2022 11:35 pm

    It was super easy to take apart and rebuild the motor, very simple to work on, and I was able to go 70 on the freeway without having to worry about a cooling system since it's air cooled. No power steering, no power brakes, simple light car. It worked very well. The only reason I sold it was because I didn't have space for it at the time, but I miss the hell out of that stupid car lol.

    oh god my first car as an 80s hatchback. i can't remember the model of it. i think it was a pontiac. i'm trying to look it up but every one of those hatchback cars looked the same. it had no power steering and the doorhandle was broken on the drivers side.

    then i got an olds 88 and i was like daaaamn.
    big upgrade.

    that old's 88 was great but i couldn't pull into a gas station without people trying to buy it off of me.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 09:20:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Gamgee to Moondog on Tue Sep 13 2022 09:21 pm

    Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I have wondered if there is a car model equivalent to the square body Chevy's - a model that at one time a popular seller or body/ frame that would be easy to find parts for. Find one that has
    quite a bit of life int he engine, or fi nd a candidate to
    rebuild. I'm guessing there's 20+ year old Toyota or Honda that could be rebuilt from the frame up, yet cost less than a new car
    yet be as reliable

    All of the above assumes a person has the skills to do much of that work themselves. Most people (I would estimate 99%+) do NOT have such
    skills.

    Also you have not factored in the time spent to do such work. My time
    is worth *FAR* more than the "savings" from doing such a job. For
    nearly everyone, buying a new (or used) car that doesn't need any work done to it is clearly the better choice.

    If you had a shop do it, it will still cost less than an new
    truck. A new Chevy 2500 4x4 with a Duramax is $60k usd. A frame
    up rebuild is less than $40 k usd. If you plan to make a hotrod, that's when the price goes crazy.

    I'll take your word for it, but you've still got a truck with parts of
    it that are 20-30 years old. The new one comes with a factory warranty
    and that "new car smell". LOL! I'll pay the extra.



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    Old and worn out are two different things. Some parts are more critical than others. For example, the springs used in front suspension lose their ability to spring back over time. Those would be replaced. Piston rings and all the gaskets and seals on the motor and pumps should be replaced. Other items
    less critical to mechanical operation could remain. If you have the vehiccle in pieces, there is an incentive to not leave anything that could cause problems later untouched.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to esc on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 09:45:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: esc to Moondog on Tue Sep 13 2022 11:35 pm

    I have wondered if there is a car model equivalent to the square body Chevy's - a model that at one time a popular seller or body/ frame that would be easy to find parts for. Find one that has quite a bit of life int he engine, or fi nd a candidate to rebuild. I'm guessing there's 20+ year old Toyota or Honda that could be rebuilt from the frame up, yet cost less than a new car yet be as reliable

    If I'm thinking of the same trucks you're talking about here, good luck find

    As far as a car equivalent, I actually restored a '69 Beetle not long ago. I
    cooled. No power steering, no power brakes, simple light car. It worked ver

    Chevy made the square body design up to 1986, so we're not necessarily
    talking about a 50 year old pickups. A semi clean donor vehicle could run $5000 to $12000. The end result is a reliable daily driver, not a car show restoration. That would push the budget way over because you will be
    searching for period specific parts down to the style of running light lenses and door handle hardware. Labor is where the money goes if someone else is doing it for you.

    Speaking of Beetles, the EV crowd liked them because the engine was held on
    by 4 bolts, and a collar adapter could be used to bolt an electric motor direc tly the existing transmission. The sad thing about the Beetles I've lloked
    at is they looked good on the surface but when I'd look at everything that needed to be patched or replaced, I would be spending quite a bit just to
    make it reliable. As said before, motors drop in an out easily. The entire b ottom of the car is one big piece, and the body and interior have to be
    removed to get to it. Each year is slightly different, and fenders and body panels are not all compatible from one year to the next. The bolt holes are even re-arranged. In Michigan it was hard to find a car that wasn't rotted out.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to esc on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 09:59:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: esc to Gamgee on Tue Sep 13 2022 11:37 pm

    All of the above assumes a person has the skills to do much of that wor themselves. Most people (I would estimate 99%+) do NOT have such skills.

    Not to mention tools! Decent tools aren't cheap.

    Some tools are not worth buying for a refurb. Rent them from the parts store or have whatever requires special tools done at the shop.

    One of my hobbies is shooting, and I held off for a long time before buying
    an AR-15. That changed when I saw an article in Shotgun News about how easy
    it is to source your own parts and build your own. I ordered a lower
    receiver online and had my FFL guy send his credentials so it could be transferred, then while that was being done, I began picking parts. At
    first, I wanted to assemble everything, but that would require a specialized barrel wrench, a special fixture to clamp the upper receiver in, then a bunch of pin punches and a special wrench hfor the castle nut. I already had a torque wrench and vise. I ended up buying a pre-assembled upper receiver
    with barrel and hand guards and gas block installed.

    After I built that first one, a heavy barrel varmint gun, I wanted a lightweig ht patrol style rifle. This time around I figure if I have more than one, I might as well buy the tools. When my friends saw what I was doing, they were ordering parts kits and coming over to access knowledge and tools.


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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Moondog on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 12:10:00
    Chevy made the square body design up to 1986, so we're not necessarily talking about a 50 year old pickups. A semi clean donor vehicle could
    run $5000 to $12000. The end result is a reliable daily driver, not a
    car show restoration. That would push the budget way over because you will be searching for period specific parts down to the style of running light lenses and door handle hardware. Labor is where the money goes if someone else is doing it for you.

    Gotcha. In California we have smog and carb laws for any cars model year 1975 and newer, so that makes the value of cars pre-1975 highly valuable here. Couple that with the fact that we have very few rust issues with cars and you can probably imagine how that drives cost up.

    Speaking of Beetles, the EV crowd liked them because the engine was held on by 4 bolts, and a collar adapter could be used to bolt an electric motor direc tly the existing transmission. The sad thing about the

    I considered this! The only reason I didn't end up doing it was because the little 1600cc engine worked just fine after a rebuild and I couldn't justify the expense. Plus, it got something like 25mpg.

    motor direc tly the existing transmission. The sad thing about the Beetles I've lloked at is they looked good on the surface but when I'd look at everything that needed to be patched or replaced, I would be spending quite a bit just to make it reliable. As said before, motors drop in an out easily. The entire b ottom of the car is one big piece, and the body and interior have to be removed to get to it. Each year is slightly different, and fenders and body panels are not all compatible from one year to the next. The bolt holes are even re-arranged. In Michigan it was hard to find a car that wasn't rotted out.

    Yeah, the whole "pan" thing on the bottom of the Beetle made it somewhat waterproof. There are videos of a dude driving his bug into the ocean. Great way to ruin a car hehe.

    The body issues are real...it's actually hard to fabricate things for this car due to how everything is so curvy. And you're right about issues year-over-year and things changing.

    I lucked out buying a California car. There was basically zero rust aside from a bit of surface rust under the front trunk area, which I was able to sand and spray to an acceptable level.

    At the end of the day if you find one of these in acceptable visual condition (i.e., rust), the rest of the car is pretty easy to build and/or maintain. It's a fun little project, to be sure.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 15:47:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: MRO to esc on Wed Sep 14 2022 12:35 pm

    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: esc to Moondog on Tue Sep 13 2022 11:35 pm

    It was super easy to take apart and rebuild the motor, very simple to work on, and I was able to go 70 on the freeway without having to worry about a cooling system since it's air cooled. No power steering, no power brakes, simple light car. It worked very well. The only reason I sold it was because I didn't have space for it at the time, but I miss the hell out of that stupid car lol.

    oh god my first car as an 80s hatchback. i can't remember the model of it. i think it was a pontiac. i'm trying to look it up but every one of those hatchback cars looked the same. it had no power steering and the doorhandle was broken on the drivers side.

    then i got an olds 88 and i was like daaaamn.
    big upgrade.

    that old's 88 was great but i couldn't pull into a gas station without people trying to buy it off of me.


    okay now i remember what i had.
    plymouth horizon aka dodge omni https://i.imgur.com/r0PnKwC.png
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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to MRO on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 20:05:00
    On 14 Sep 2022, MRO said the following...

    okay now i remember what i had.
    plymouth horizon aka dodge omni https://i.imgur.com/r0PnKwC.png

    nice. they took the vw rabbit and messed up the suspension and all that bad enough that a good portion of them rolled quite violently in minor accidents.

    cars like the dodge shadow and others on the same chassis had the same problem.

    as fond as i am of the looks of some of those old cars, i'm not going back any further than cars with some combination of side/curtain airbags.

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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to MRO on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 17:57:00
    okay now i remember what i had.
    plymouth horizon aka dodge omni https://i.imgur.com/r0PnKwC.png

    Holy crap my aunt used to have that car. Column shifter, right? One time we were on the highway and she turned around while driving to smack her kid and her fat ass bumped the column shift out of drive and into reverse or park or something and destroyed the car.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 23:13:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: esc to MRO on Wed Sep 14 2022 05:57 pm

    okay now i remember what i had.
    plymouth horizon aka dodge omni https://i.imgur.com/r0PnKwC.png

    Holy crap my aunt used to have that car. Column shifter, right? One time we were on the highway and she turned around while driving to smack her kid and her fat ass bumped the column shift out of drive and into reverse or park or something and destroyed the car.


    i think it had a shifter under the stereo area. i just remember it was a small car but it was kinda fun to drive.

    not as fun as the v8 i got.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Boraxman on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 23:07:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Boraxman to Moondog on Wed Sep 14 2022 10:28 pm

    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Moondog to Boraxman on Mon Sep 12 2022 07:51 pm

    A few year's back I was reading an article in an off road magazin, and th wri. ter was in search of new vehicle, but wanted to go simple and cheap. The requirement was something he could drive to work and back, and do occasional towing and hauling. He did the math, and it was cheaper to restore a square body Chevy truck from the 70's and 80's by nearly half o new pickup.
    other than a Duramax recovered from a totaled truck, the rest was a conservative build. He sourced a truck from out West that had little rus and performed a frame up restoration. Any body panels he couldn't source from a scrap yard he could get from aftermarket restoration companies. The suspension was worn, and had to be all replaced. Kits are made to ad newer motors to older vehicles, dropping in the diesel and transmission wasn't as problematic as expected.

    I have wondered if there is a car model equivalent to the square body Chevy's
    - a model that at one time a popular seller or body/ frame that would be easy to find parts for. Find one that has quite a bit of life int he engine, or fi nd a candidate to rebuild. I'm guessing there's 20+ year Toyota or Honda that could be rebuilt from the frame up, yet cost less th a new car yet be
    as reliable


    Something like the "framework" laptop? Or the original PC hardware? Someth

    There wouldn't be much commercial interest in making cars which people can r

    This is something that someone left-of-centre like Elon Musk might do. A ca


    What I'm referring to is how some models and production years of a given car m anufacturer are known for durability, or sold enough cars during it's production cycle that there are spare parts and aftermarket parts which will c ontribute to reliabilty that won't cost a fortune to add. An example would
    be replacing rubber suspension bushings with performance urethane bushings wi th grade 8 fasteners. I recall in the late 80's and early 90's the Ford
    Taurus was a car that sold well, and they stayed on the road for a good
    amount of time. If you could find one from a warm, dry climate where any
    rust or rot would be minimal or cosmetic, there shouldn't be much trouble finding parts due to it being a well selling model and salvage yards should
    be full of parts pulled from other cars of that model. If the motor is a common platform used by several cars by that manufacture, you have a choice
    of donor motors and aftermarket or non-oem replacement parts.

    Car models that were preferred to make taxis or police cars of are also grail cars to refurb. Police cars will have better than alternators to run radios and lights. There may be suspension mods or engine mods as well. The Ford Crown Vics form the mid 90's to mid 2000's were solid cars that ran forver -
    at least after they fixed the frame rotting in half problems.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 23:21:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: MRO to esc on Wed Sep 14 2022 12:35 pm

    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: esc to Moondog on Tue Sep 13 2022 11:35 pm

    It was super easy to take apart and rebuild the motor, very simple to wor on, and I was able to go 70 on the freeway without having to worry about cooling system since it's air cooled. No power steering, no power brakes, simple light car. It worked very well. The only reason I sold it was beca I didn't have space for it at the time, but I miss the hell out of that stupid car lol.

    oh god my first car as an 80s hatchback. i can't remember the model of it. i de.

    then i got an olds 88 and i was like daaaamn.
    big upgrade.

    that old's 88 was great but i couldn't pull into a gas station without peopl

    I had an 87 Mazda 323 that was the model of simplicity. 4 speed manual with rack and pinion steering. A former co-worker had an 88 323 and put 300,000 miles on it, mostly highway miles.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 23:32:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: MRO to esc on Wed Sep 14 2022 03:47 pm

    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: MRO to esc on Wed Sep 14 2022 12:35 pm

    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: esc to Moondog on Tue Sep 13 2022 11:35 pm

    It was super easy to take apart and rebuild the motor, very simple to work on, and I was able to go 70 on the freeway without having to worr about a cooling system since it's air cooled. No power steering, no po brakes, simple light car. It worked very well. The only reason I sold was because I didn't have space for it at the time, but I miss the hel out of that stupid car lol.

    oh god my first car as an 80s hatchback. i can't remember the model of it think it was a pontiac. i'm trying to look it up but every one of those hatchback cars looked the same. it had no power steering and the doorhan was broken on the drivers side.

    then i got an olds 88 and i was like daaaamn.
    big upgrade.

    that old's 88 was great but i couldn't pull into a gas station without people trying to buy it off of me.


    okay now i remember what i had.
    plymouth horizon aka dodge omni https://i.imgur.com/r0PnKwC.png

    My sister had an 81 Horizon. Not sure if it was that year or a general flaw with that model, but she had transmission issues with more than one transmission. The other problem was an alternator with bad diodes. It was rippling AC into the DC inputs on the ECU or whatever they called the car's "b rain" at that time. It was efi, and whatever controlled fuel coming into it would get fried. The shop replaced 2 or 3 before finding the alternator issue . Luckily the shop owner was a friend of my father's and didn't penalize us for his worker's poor diagnostic skills. They agreed to eat the cost of the first two brain boxes.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to fusion on Thursday, September 15, 2022 09:27:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: fusion to MRO on Wed Sep 14 2022 08:05 pm

    On 14 Sep 2022, MRO said the following...

    okay now i remember what i had.
    plymouth horizon aka dodge omni https://i.imgur.com/r0PnKwC.png

    nice. they took the vw rabbit and messed up the suspension and all that bad

    cars like the dodge shadow and others on the same chassis had the same probl

    as fond as i am of the looks of some of those old cars, i'm not going back a

    I liked the looks of the 80's Chargers and that utility version called the Rampage. It was that fastback design with a trunk, similar to the Subaru
    Brat and the El Camino. IIRC the Shelby edition vehicles had problems with their turbos burning up after a few years. Same thing with the Pontiac Grand n ational. Nice car, but many flooded the used market after 3-4 years, as if people were ditching them.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to esc on Thursday, September 15, 2022 09:35:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: esc to MRO on Wed Sep 14 2022 05:57 pm

    okay now i remember what i had.
    plymouth horizon aka dodge omni https://i.imgur.com/r0PnKwC.png

    Holy crap my aunt used to have that car. Column shifter, right? One time we the car.

    Carrol Shelby and Lee Iacocca were good friends since the 1960's. When
    Shelby was asked to make an custom shop car at his shop, he took an Omni and made what he called the Shelby GLHs. Some say the little s was for Shelby,
    but Shelby said the name is short for Goes Like Hell S'more. Shelby put a larger turbo and intercooler than what was offered on the Dodge build Shelby Editions, and beefed up suspension for better handling. It also had cool wheels and a ground effect kit. In an interview his grand kids said that was his favorite fun car. The GHLs could out race a 66 Ford Shelby GT350 at a 1/4 mile.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thursday, September 15, 2022 13:02:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Sep 14 2022 11:21 pm


    I had an 87 Mazda 323 that was the model of simplicity. 4 speed manual with rack and pinion steering. A former co-worker had an 88 323 and put 300,000 miles on it, mostly highway miles.

    well that model was a piece of shit.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thursday, September 15, 2022 13:06:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Sep 14 2022 11:32 pm

    okay now i remember what i had.
    plymouth horizon aka dodge omni https://i.imgur.com/r0PnKwC.png

    My sister had an 81 Horizon. Not sure if it was that year or a general flaw with that model, but she had transmission issues with more than one transmission. The other problem was an alternator with bad diodes. It was


    those cars had all kinds of problems. they were pieces of american made shit.
    i had a carborator issue and god knows what else.
    i didn't buy mine used, though. chrysler had a lot of issues during their end of days and quality was one of them.
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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Moondog on Thursday, September 15, 2022 22:35:00
    Carrol Shelby and Lee Iacocca were good friends since the 1960's. When Shelby was asked to make an custom shop car at his shop, he took an Omni and made what he called the Shelby GLHs. Some say the little s was for Shelby, but Shelby said the name is short for Goes Like Hell S'more. Shelby put a larger turbo and intercooler than what was offered on the Dodge build Shelby Editions, and beefed up suspension for better
    handling. It also had cool wheels and a ground effect kit. In an interview his grand kids said that was his favorite fun car. The GHLs could out race a 66 Ford Shelby GT350 at a 1/4 mile.

    Dude this is fascinating, I had no idea. Thanks for sharing the history here. Please excuse me while I find a wikipedia rabbit hole to go down now... :P

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  • From Michael Sprague@VERT/DMINE to Moondog on Sunday, September 18, 2022 15:17:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Moondog to esc on Wed Sep 14 2022 09:45 am

    Speaking of Beetles, the EV crowd liked them because the engine was held on by 4 bolts, and a collar adapter could be used to bolt an electric motor dir tly the existing transmission. The sad thing about the Beetles I've lloked at is they looked good on the surface but when I'd look at everything that needed to be patched or replaced, I would be spending quite a bit just to make it reliable. As said before, motors drop in an out easily. The entire ottom of the car is one big piece, and the body and interior have to be removed to get to it. Each year is slightly different, and fenders and body panels are not all compatible from one year to the next. The bolt holes are even re-arranged. In Michigan it was hard to find a car that wasn't rotted out.



    While in my teens, living in a town north of Los Angeles, a father of kid I knew did in fact both a bus generator to the transmission of a 1963 VW and filled the back seat with lead-acid batteries. I'm confident it would violate a couple of dozen safety regulations to do that today. Anyway, it was not necessary to shift gears. The bus generator, acting as a motor, could produce all the torque needed to acheive speed up to 80 kph with no need to shift. Card did not go very far on a charge but I have to wonder if my friends dad eventually worked a some famous electric car manufacutring company.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Michael Sprague on Sunday, September 18, 2022 20:40:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Michael Sprague to Moondog on Sun Sep 18 2022 03:17 pm

    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Moondog to esc on Wed Sep 14 2022 09:45 am

    Speaking of Beetles, the EV crowd liked them because the engine was held by 4 bolts, and a collar adapter could be used to bolt an electric motor tly the existing transmission. The sad thing about the Beetles I've llok at is they looked good on the surface but when I'd look at everything tha needed to be patched or replaced, I would be spending quite a bit just to make it reliable. As said before, motors drop in an out easily. The ent ottom of the car is one big piece, and the body and interior have to be removed to get to it. Each year is slightly different, and fenders and b panels are not all compatible from one year to the next. The bolt holes even re-arranged. In Michigan it was hard to find a car that wasn't rott out.



    While in my teens, living in a town north of Los Angeles, a father of kid I knew did in fact both a bus generator to the transmission of a 1963 VW and filled the back seat with lead-acid batteries. I'm confident it would violat couple of dozen safety regulations to do that today. Anyway, it was not necessary to shift gears. The bus generator, acting as a motor, could produc all the torque needed to acheive speed up to 80 kph with no need to shift. C did not go very far on a charge but I have to wonder if my friends dad eventually worked a some famous electric car manufacutring company.

    ~Michael S
    ~Mike S~


    Other than the Beetle, the Chevy S-10 was another DIY EV host. The brake
    pump, lights, and steering pump ran off their own 12v battery however they wou ld stuff up to 20 car bateries in the engine compartment and under the bed alo ng the frame. With modern lithium cells, they could shrink the battery footprint and increase the range. Back in the early 2000's the range was around 40-60 miles on acid cells. As stated witht he Beetle, you could leave it in one gear since a motor speed controller (pulsewidth modulator) would handle the acceleration range. The upper gears act as an overdive.

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  • From Michael Sprague@VERT/DMINE to Moondog on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 08:20:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Moondog to Michael Sprague on Sun Sep 18 2022 08:40 pm

    Other than the Beetle, the Chevy S-10 was another DIY EV host. The brake pump, lights, and steering pump ran off their own 12v battery however they w ld stuff up to 20 car bateries in the engine compartment and under the bed a ng the frame. With modern lithium cells, they could shrink the battery footprint and increase the range. Back in the early 2000's the range was around 40-60 miles on acid cells. As stated witht he Beetle, you could leav it in one gear since a motor speed controller (pulsewidth modulator) would handle the acceleration range. The upper gears act as an overdive.

    I was not able to recall the appearance of an S-10 so I searched the internet and found an image. Yes I do remember seeng that model.

    A 40-60 mikes range? That is impressive. It's as good as some present-day EVs.
    ~Mike S~

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Boraxman on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 21:17:00
    On 9/14/22 05:28, Boraxman wrote:

    This is something that someone left-of-centre like Elon Musk might
    do. A car you just piece together, can upgrade or fix easily.

    The guy that charges thousands ahead of time for a software upgrade that likely isn't ever going to happen?
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  • From Minex@VERT/TDOD to esc on Wednesday, September 28, 2022 11:55:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: esc to Moondog on Tue Sep 13 2022 11:35 pm

    If I'm thinking of the same trucks you're talking about here, good luck finding one that's affordable. A 72 C10 costs an arm and a leg these days :/

    Those Chevy Squarebody's are getting really popular. I bought a 74 K10 circa 2009 for around $2000. Its now appraised at around $28k. I did do a lot of work to it though -- new engine, rebuilt transmission, rebuilt tcase, new paint job, etc. The truck isnt a trailer queen either. It IS my daily driver. In fact, I drove it from Denver, CO to Vail, CO via Eisenhower Tunnel over the weekend with no issues.

    Here's a video of my truck:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7_7xzyRMN0

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Minex on Wednesday, September 28, 2022 22:06:00
    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: Minex to esc on Wed Sep 28 2022 11:55 am

    Re: Re: Car worth
    By: esc to Moondog on Tue Sep 13 2022 11:35 pm

    If I'm thinking of the same trucks you're talking about here, good luck finding one that's affordable. A 72 C10 costs an arm and a leg these days

    Those Chevy Squarebody's are getting really popular. I bought a 74 K10 circa 2009 for around $2000. Its now appraised at around $28k. I did do a lot of w to it though -- new engine, rebuilt transmission, rebuilt tcase, new paint j etc. The truck isnt a trailer queen either. It IS my daily driver. In fact, drove it from Denver, CO to Vail, CO via Eisenhower Tunnel over the weekend with no issues.

    Here's a video of my truck:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7_7xzyRMN0

    The Dawn of Demise BBS (tdod.org)


    As mentioned, I would like to see the analog of a square body Chevy in the
    form of a car. I figure there's a Honda or Toyota model that's known to run forever, or would be a great candidate to refurbish into a very reliable
    daily driver.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Thursday, September 29, 2022 06:55:00
    Moondog wrote to Minex <=-

    As mentioned, I would like to see the analog of a square body Chevy in
    the form of a car. I figure there's a Honda or Toyota model that's
    known to run forever, or would be a great candidate to refurbish into a very reliable daily driver.

    A 4 cylinder Toyota Camry from 2001-2006, or a similarly vintage Honda Civic should do the trick.


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