• Re: Turntables and LPs

    From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Ogg on Saturday, September 18, 2021 08:24:00
    Hello Ogg;

    Ogg wrote to Geo <=-

    I guess it just different not necessarily better. Its all
    in the Mastering I rekon. 8-)

    OMG, is it ever!

    [snip]

    One also must take into consideration the tuning of the various insturments used by the individual band members of a group. Nigel Olson has a specific sound to his drums say than does Neal Pert...and so on.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to OGG on Monday, September 20, 2021 22:42:00
    OGG wrote to ARELOR <=-

    But my point is that I *do* have my own originals. It just
    doesn't make sense to go through the time and effort to make
    copies when I can get them from Spotify.

    Should the day arrive when a certain recording would nolonger
    be available on Spotify.. no problem - *then* I could dig out
    my original and make a copy of that.

    Statler Brothers - Maple Street Memories - the SONG (that was
    a single release) is available everywhere, but the album? Nope!

    Side A is something you can put on and close your eyes and you're
    THERE. I have it, still, and one day will get it transferred
    over... :-)




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Friday, September 17, 2021 08:00:00
    Nightfox wrote to Ogg <=-

    If replacing VHS copies, I think it can make sense to buy the DVDs or blu-rays if available. They usually do a process so that the image
    takes advantage of the mediums' higher resolution. If you record VHS
    onto DVD etc., then you're still really only getting a 480p(?) quality image from the VHS tape.

    I find it interesting that with some TV shows that broadcast in 480p,
    they're able to remaster wide-screen editions and do some color correction
    in the process. Star Trek: TNG and DS9 are apparently getting remastered,
    and the widescreen shots look pretty good.

    What I didn't like was having re-mastered graphics in ST:TOS while keeping
    the original low-res film shots. It would have been an amusing easter egg to see them retcon the U.S.S. Constellation's number in the remake (the
    original Constellation was NCC-1017 because they kit-bashed a storebought Enterprise kit and re-arranged NCC-1701...)
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, September 23, 2021 13:47:00
    Re: Re: Turntables and LPs
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Sep 17 2021 08:00 am

    I find it interesting that with some TV shows that broadcast in 480p, they're able to remaster wide-screen editions and do some color correction in the process. Star Trek: TNG and DS9 are apparently getting remastered, and the widescreen shots look pretty good.

    Star Trek: TNG was already remastered, for blu-ray, and the entire show was released on blu-ray from 2012 to 2015. And they kept the image in 4:3 format rather than making it widescreen - They didn't shoot the series in a way that would allow them to make it widescreen. If they expanded the scans of the shot, you'd see camera/audio equipment or the edges of the sets, etc. that you aren't supposed to see. And cropping the image to produce a widescreen image isn't ideal either, since you'd be losing part of the image.

    However, they have not remastered DS9. I've read that one reason is because DS9 was apparently shot on videotape, which doesn't lend itself well to a remaster (whereas TNG was shot on 35mm film, making TNG a better candidate for a remaster). Also, apparently DS9 used computerized special effects more often than TNG, and the 3D models & such used for the special effects are difficult or impossible to find (they may have been lost). The special effects were rendered at basically 480p resolution, so to remaster it, they'd have to re-create the special effects from scratch and re-render them in high definition. Also, unfortunately the TNG remaster has apparently not sold well enough for them to consider doing the job to remaster DS9 properly.

    Since TNG was filmed on 35mm film, they were able to gather all the 35mm film negatives and re-scan them in high definition before adjusting the color & picture, etc.

    Nightfox

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Nightfox on Thursday, September 23, 2021 17:50:00
    Re: Re: Turntables and LPs
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Sep 23 2021 13:47:04

    I find it interesting that with some TV shows that broadcast in
    480p, they're able to remaster wide-screen editions and do some
    color correction in the process. Star Trek: TNG and DS9 are
    apparently getting remastered, and the widescreen shots look pretty
    good.
    Star Trek: TNG was already remastered, for blu-ray, and the entire show was released on blu-ray from 2012 to 2015. And they kept the image in 4:3

    What does ANY of this have to do with Turntables and LP's???????
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Lupine Furmen on Friday, September 24, 2021 08:57:00
    Re: Re: Turntables and LPs
    By: Lupine Furmen to Nightfox on Thu Sep 23 2021 05:50 pm

    Star Trek: TNG was already remastered, for blu-ray, and the entire
    show was released on blu-ray from 2012 to 2015. And they kept the
    image in 4:3

    What does ANY of this have to do with Turntables and LP's???????

    Thread drift.. It happens often.

    Nightfox

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sunday, October 03, 2021 18:13:00
    Hello JIMMY ANDERSON!

    ** On Monday 20.09.21 - 22:42, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to OGG:

    Should the day arrive when a certain recording would
    nolonger be available on Spotify.. no problem - *then* I
    could dig out my original and make a copy of that.

    Statler Brothers - Maple Street Memories - the SONG (that
    was a single release) is available everywhere, but the
    album? Nope!

    Side A is something you can put on and close your eyes and
    you're THERE. I have it, still, and one day will get it
    transferred over... :-)

    Interesting. One song, available. But not the rest of the
    album.

    Who knows what barganing goes on in arranging the licensing.

    A few CD copies for sale on discogs, but they're not cheap!
    Meanwhile, all the tunes are obtainable to purchase as MP3s.

    I really wanted to audition the Vollenweider and Friends: 25
    Years Live 1982-2007 recording (it was listed briefly on
    Spotify) ..but by the time I went to give it a shot, it was
    nolonger available to stream.

    Same story.. streaming not available, but MP3 purchase, is.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Brian Rogers on Monday, October 04, 2021 21:43:00
    Hello Brian Rogers!

    ** On Wednesday 15.09.21 - 00:47, Brian Rogers wrote to Digital Man:

    I've found over the years that almost everything involved
    with a conventional record can affect the sound quality
    [...]

    [...] Then you have stylus and cartridge... both of which
    lose tone with age.

    I thought it was just the stylus that would wear out. But
    because of the cost, it's just as easy to get a whole new
    cartrige+stylus combined.


    Last but not least, the quality of the preamp which is the
    final link in the audio chain. A better preamp typically
    will have better audio. [...]

    I've been pretty happy with generic consumer hi-fi AM/FM/
    Receiver amp combos. I'm impressed with people's systems that
    have dedicated amps for just for LP/CD use, but my listening
    spaces have been relatively small over the years (mostly
    apartments) so the difference in sound with a audiophile
    quality amp vs a receiver would not be much.


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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Ogg on Tuesday, October 05, 2021 10:03:00
    Hello Ogg;

    Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    I thought it was just the stylus that would wear out. But
    because of the cost, it's just as easy to get a whole new
    cartrige+stylus combined.

    Cartridges also wear with age and usage... however the ear tends not to notice the degredation of sound as much as you would with a worn stylus. Typically
    you should change your cartridge every 5th or so stylus change. The newer
    ones may get you better milage :)

    I've been pretty happy with generic consumer hi-fi AM/FM/
    Receiver amp combos. I'm impressed with people's systems that
    have dedicated amps for just for LP/CD use, but my listening
    spaces have been relatively small over the years (mostly
    apartments) so the difference in sound with a audiophile
    quality amp vs a receiver would not be much.

    I'm a bit impressed with the modern stuff tbh. I have an inexpensive soundbar system with 4" subwoofer and it sounds pretty nice for what it is. If Samsung didn't block the FM receiver in the phones I could link it with bluetooth for radio listening... but I can also use the various streaming apps. Still though nothing like old school audiophile stuff. Bass is more natural sounding than electronically generated sound.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to OGG on Thursday, October 14, 2021 16:50:00
    OGG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    Statler Brothers - Maple Street Memories - the SONG (that
    was a single release) is available everywhere, but the
    album? Nope!

    Side A is something you can put on and close your eyes and
    you're THERE. I have it, still, and one day will get it
    transferred over... :-)

    Interesting. One song, available. But not the rest of the
    album.

    Who knows what barganing goes on in arranging the licensing.

    A few CD copies for sale on discogs, but they're not cheap!
    Meanwhile, all the tunes are obtainable to purchase as MP3s.

    Okay - you prompted me to look there - yeah, not cheap, but I did
    some other looking...

    https://mozaart.com/en/r/maple-street-memories-the-statler-brothers

    I'm currently listening while typing this reply and cooking
    supper. :-)

    I really wanted to audition the Vollenweider and Friends: 25
    Years Live 1982-2007 recording (it was listed briefly on
    Spotify) ..but by the time I went to give it a shot, it was
    nolonger available to stream.

    Same story.. streaming not available, but MP3 purchase, is.

    Might check the site I link above? I did a search but didn't
    find it...

    And where are the MP3's available for Maple Street Memories? I
    WILL be adding that to my collection!!!







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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to JIMMY ANDERSON on Monday, October 25, 2021 18:24:00
    Jimmy,

    I'm currently listening while typing this reply and cooking
    supper. :-)

    A true multi-tasker. <G>

    ... I don't have time to wait for instant gratification.

    My, aren't we the impatient one?? <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Monday, October 25, 2021 19:34:00
    Hello JIMMY ANDERSON!

    ** On Thursday 14.10.21 - 16:50, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to OGG:

    https://mozaart.com/en/r/maple-street-memories-the-
    statler-brothers

    mozzart.com is a clever implementation of the "free" youtube
    files wrapped into a dedicated music player/database with
    playlist capability. But the youtube audio doesn't exceed
    128kbps; probably good enough for the "good enough" listener.


    I really wanted to audition the Vollenweider and Friends: 25
    Years Live 1982-2007 recording (it was listed briefly..

    Same story.. streaming not available, but MP3 purchase, is.

    Might check the site I link above? I did a search but didn't
    find it...

    They would be foolish to allow it "free" on YT and not on
    Spotify.


    And where are the MP3's available for Maple Street Memories? I
    WILL be adding that to my collection!!!

    But your mozaart/YT find for Maple Street Memories is
    interesting. It seems that one collection of tunes has slipped
    the producer's radar.


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