• Betterbird..

    From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to All on Monday, April 18, 2022 17:46:00
    "Betterbird. Simply better.

    "Betterbird is a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird,
    Thunderbird on steroids, if you will.

    "Betterbird is better than Thunderbird in three ways: It
    contains new features exclusive to Betterbird, it contains bug
    fixes exclusive to Betterbird and it contains fixes that
    Thunderbird may ship at a later stage. Please refer to the
    feature table for examples.

    MORE: http://betterbird.eu/

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Monday, April 18, 2022 22:42:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Ogg to All on Mon Apr 18 2022 05:46 pm

    "Betterbird. Simply better.

    "Betterbird is a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird,
    Thunderbird on steroids, if you will.

    "Betterbird is better than Thunderbird in three ways: It
    contains new features exclusive to Betterbird, it contains bug
    fixes exclusive to Betterbird and it contains fixes that
    Thunderbird may ship at a later stage. Please refer to the
    feature table for examples.

    MORE: http://betterbird.eu/

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    this looks pretty ghetto. no https
    no signed archive.
    i run their 'portable installer' so, sfx 7zip window pops up and closes

    i extracted it and tried it out. there's nothing better about it so far.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Ogg on Tuesday, April 19, 2022 19:34:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Ogg to All on Mon Apr 18 2022 05:46 pm

    "Betterbird. Simply better.

    "Betterbird is a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird,
    Thunderbird on steroids, if you will.

    "Betterbird is better than Thunderbird in three ways: It
    contains new features exclusive to Betterbird, it contains bug
    fixes exclusive to Betterbird and it contains fixes that
    Thunderbird may ship at a later stage. Please refer to the
    feature table for examples.

    MORE: http://betterbird.eu/

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    I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Before they incorporated enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail used your users GnuPG configuration, used your keyring. Then when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so it used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbird because I didn't want to, or see the advantage of, managing two seperate keyrings and keeping them in sync.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Tuesday, April 19, 2022 13:47:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Boraxman to Ogg on Tue Apr 19 2022 07:34 pm

    I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Before they incorporated enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail used your users GnuPG configuration, used your keyring. Then when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so it used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbird because I didn't want to, or see the advantage of, managing two seperate keyrings and keeping them in sync.


    man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use it anymore.

    it's better to just use another type of communication if you want to encrypt communications.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 17:29:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Tue Apr 19 2022 01:47 pm

    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Boraxman to Ogg on Tue Apr 19 2022 07:34 pm

    I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Before they incorporated
    enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail used your users GnuPG configuration, used
    your keyring. Then when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so it
    used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbird because I didn't wa
    to, or see the advantage of, managing two seperate keyrings and keeping them i
    sync.


    man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use it anymore.

    it's better to just use another type of communication if you want to encrypt communications.

    Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to sign up with your phone
    number, which some people don't like. Telegram is closed source.

    The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing e-mail address. I used to
    use it with others, I set it up for them. The real problem is they lose their keys
    when they inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their drive wiped or change computers.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 05:00:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:29 pm

    Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to sign up with your phone number, which some people don't like. Telegram is closed source.

    just pick one. or txt them

    The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing e-mail address. I used to use it with others, I set it up for them. The real problem is they lose their keys when they inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their drive wiped or change computers.

    yeah i played around it a bunch years ago.
    i wouldnt use it in today's age.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 17:39:00
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 13:47, MRO wrote to Boraxman:

    man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use it
    anymore.

    What is so hard about it?


    it's better to just use another type of communication if you want to encrypt communications. -+-

    DeltaChat is not bad. It uses your existing email "system".
    Very clever.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 17:43:00
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Wednesday 20.04.22 - 05:00, MRO wrote to Boraxman:

    Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to
    sign up with your phone number, which some people don't
    like. Telegram is closed source.


    just pick one. or txt them

    txt (SMS) is purely in the clear, and provides absolutely no
    privacy at all.



    The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing
    e-mail address. I used to use it with others, I set it up
    for them..

    yeah i played around it a bunch years ago. i wouldnt use it
    in today's age.

    Thunderbird has integrated it into their system now. Proponents
    seem to like it. Not sure how Betterbird does it.

    Meanwhile, there is DeltChat which utilizes your existing email
    provider's system.

    OpenKeyChain is another fine system for Android users.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Boraxman on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 17:49:00
    Hello Boraxman!

    ** On Wednesday 20.04.22 - 17:29, Boraxman wrote to MRO:

    it's better to just use another type of communication if
    you want to encrypt communications.

    Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to
    sign up with your phone number, which some people don't
    like. Telegram is closed source.

    Check out DeltaChat. It uses your existing email address. It
    doesn't require any passphrase setup. And.. it's possible to
    synchronize the app across multiple devices that can use the
    same email address.

    Telegram is OPEN source. It's in the 1st paragraph here:

    https://telegram.org/apps


    The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing
    e-mail address. I used to use it with others, I set it up
    for them. The real problem is they lose their keys when
    they inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their drive
    wiped or change computers.

    DeltaChat might be a good option for those people you mention
    who might like to entertain some extra privacy in email every
    now and then.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Boraxman on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 17:54:00
    Hello Boraxman!

    ** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 19:34, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:

    I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Before
    they incorporated enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail used
    your users GnuPG configuration, used your keyring. Then
    when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so it
    used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbird
    because I didn't want to, or see the advantage of, managing
    two seperate keyrings and keeping them in sync.

    I don't like the way the new TB does it either.

    That's why I rolled back to a version that works best for me.

    I love the way Enigmail simplifies everything, and allows
    updating keys from one device to another.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 22:46:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:39 pm

    Hello MRO!

    ** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 13:47, MRO wrote to Boraxman:

    man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use it
    anymore.

    What is so hard about it?


    it's just another hassle. and you have to make sure people you send email to have it too.

    deltachat looks cool i'm wondering why it's 125mb on windows, though.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 22:47:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:43 pm

    Hello MRO!

    ** On Wednesday 20.04.22 - 05:00, MRO wrote to Boraxman:

    Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to
    sign up with your phone number, which some people don't
    like. Telegram is closed source.


    just pick one. or txt them

    txt (SMS) is purely in the clear, and provides absolutely no
    privacy at all.



    are we really concerned about our privacy, though?
    everything we do is monitored.
    our phones are listening to us talk right now
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 22:48:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Ogg to Boraxman on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:49 pm


    Telegram is OPEN source. It's in the 1st paragraph here:

    https://telegram.org/apps

    i think he's talking about the server side.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Thursday, April 21, 2022 07:29:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:43 pm

    txt (SMS) is purely in the clear, and provides absolutely no
    privacy at all.


    Well, you may use Silence, which is essentially Signal Messenger for SMS.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Thursday, April 21, 2022 20:25:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:00 am

    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:29 pm

    Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to sign up with your phone
    number, which some people don't like. Telegram is closed source.

    just pick one. or txt them


    The problem is, my choice differs from other people choices. One wants to use Signal,
    another group, Telegram, another uses Tutanota.

    It's not a huge deal, but I just don't like signing up with a third party, for them to give
    me privacy.

    The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing e-mail address. I used to u
    it with others, I set it up for them. The real problem is they lose their keys when t
    inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their drive wiped or change computers.

    yeah i played around it a bunch years ago.
    i wouldnt use it in today's age.

    I just don't bother using it with people who don't want to use it. If they want me to do
    something like give them a password via plaintext, then I simply wont.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Ogg on Thursday, April 21, 2022 20:28:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Ogg to Boraxman on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:49 pm

    Hello Boraxman!

    ** On Wednesday 20.04.22 - 17:29, Boraxman wrote to MRO:

    it's better to just use another type of communication if
    you want to encrypt communications.

    Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to
    sign up with your phone number, which some people don't
    like. Telegram is closed source.

    Check out DeltaChat. It uses your existing email address. It
    doesn't require any passphrase setup. And.. it's possible to
    synchronize the app across multiple devices that can use the
    same email address.

    Telegram is OPEN source. It's in the 1st paragraph here:

    https://telegram.org/apps


    Interesting, did it change? I'm sure last time I looked at it, it wasn't. I'll admit it
    was a while ago.

    The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing
    e-mail address. I used to use it with others, I set it up
    for them. The real problem is they lose their keys when
    they inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their drive
    wiped or change computers.

    DeltaChat might be a good option for those people you mention
    who might like to entertain some extra privacy in email every
    now and then.


    I'll check it out. The problem is, some people I know who are worried about privacy, wont
    bother using tools, not GPG, not anything.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Ogg on Thursday, April 21, 2022 20:30:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Ogg to Boraxman on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:54 pm

    Hello Boraxman!

    ** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 19:34, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:

    I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Before
    they incorporated enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail used
    your users GnuPG configuration, used your keyring. Then
    when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so it
    used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbird
    because I didn't want to, or see the advantage of, managing
    two seperate keyrings and keeping them in sync.

    I don't like the way the new TB does it either.

    That's why I rolled back to a version that works best for me.

    I love the way Enigmail simplifies everything, and allows
    updating keys from one device to another.

    I switched to Claws Mail for that reason. You lose out on decent html support, but oh well,
    html emails kind of suck anyway. I could keep using an older version of Thunderbird, but
    then you don't get security updates.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Thursday, April 21, 2022 20:31:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: MRO to Ogg on Wed Apr 20 2022 10:46 pm

    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:39 pm

    Hello MRO!

    ** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 13:47, MRO wrote to Boraxman:

    man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use it
    anymore.

    What is so hard about it?


    it's just another hassle. and you have to make sure people you send email to have it too.

    deltachat looks cool i'm wondering why it's 125mb on windows, though.

    Tutanota is a good option. You can send encrypted e-mails to people who don't use it, they
    just need to know a shared password in advance.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Thursday, April 21, 2022 15:37:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Apr 21 2022 08:25 pm


    I just don't bother using it with people who don't want to use it. If they want me to do something like give them a password via plaintext, then I simply wont.


    yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that, they should login and immediately change it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Thursday, April 21, 2022 15:37:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Boraxman to Ogg on Thu Apr 21 2022 08:28 pm


    I'll check it out. The problem is, some people I know who are worried about privacy, wont bother using tools, not GPG, not anything.


    just tell them there is no such thing as privacy
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Friday, April 22, 2022 17:31:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu Apr 21 2022 03:37 pm

    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Apr 21 2022 08:25 pm


    I just don't bother using it with people who don't want to use it. If they wa
    me to do something like give them a password via plaintext, then I simply wont


    yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that, they should login and
    immediately change it.

    Doesn't work if it an account that we both need to be able to access (i.e., an admin
    password).

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Boraxman on Sunday, April 24, 2022 13:06:00
    Hello Boraxman!

    ** On Friday 22.04.22 - 17:31, Boraxman wrote to MRO:

    yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that,
    they should login and immediately change it.

    With services like Protonmail, the non-Protonmail recipient
    just needs to know the passphrase that you used for that
    particular message. In those instances, I just send a "formula"
    to the recipient in a separate email that only the recipient
    would know how to solve. For example,

    passphrase = <yourtown>+<petname>+<YearOfYourCar>

    Only the recipient would know how to solve for the above.

    Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the same
    book, and use something like this:

    passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)


    Doesn't work if it an account that we both need to be able
    to access (i.e., an admin password).

    That's a different matter. But for emails, and passworded
    files, a formula method like above could work.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Ogg on Monday, April 25, 2022 09:47:00
    Re: Betterbird..
    By: Ogg to Boraxman on Sun Apr 24 2022 01:06 pm

    Hello Boraxman!

    ** On Friday 22.04.22 - 17:31, Boraxman wrote to MRO:

    yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that,
    they should login and immediately change it.

    With services like Protonmail, the non-Protonmail recipient
    just needs to know the passphrase that you used for that
    particular message. In those instances, I just send a "formula"
    to the recipient in a separate email that only the recipient
    would know how to solve. For example,

    passphrase = <yourtown>+<petname>+<YearOfYourCar>

    Only the recipient would know how to solve for the above.

    Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the same
    book, and use something like this:

    passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)


    Doesn't work if it an account that we both need to be able
    to access (i.e., an admin password).

    That's a different matter. But for emails, and passworded
    files, a formula method like above could work.


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    A workable idea, definately. Another simple option, if you're just looking for the "keep prying eyes who might steal my laptop/gain my password" people out is to send the password in an SMS.

    Not as secure,especially if your phone is stolen, but if you delete the message, it should protect you from 99% of the cases where you will need encryption.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Boraxman on Monday, April 25, 2022 12:23:00
    Hello Boraxman!

    ** On Monday 25.04.22 - 09:47, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:

    Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the same
    book, and use something like this:

    passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)

    --
    A workable idea, definately.

    Two people can even establish a "phrase" based on a favourite
    "anything" (a food item, wine, tech toy, book, etc..) ..and
    simply pre-establish that you will use the first or last 5-
    digits of the product code (or in the case of a book, part of
    the isbn number.)

    I get totally frustrated when some people send me eTransfers
    and they put the answer to the passphrase right in the message
    box (even when the system expressly reminds the user NOT to do
    that.)

    Or, they use something really simple like "the town you live
    in". Anyone who knows me would know the answer to that.

    It's a sad commentary that some people just don't appreciate
    the relevance of keeping things like passphrases and passwords
    private.


    Another simple option, if you're just looking for the "keep
    prying eyes who might steal my laptop/gain my password"
    people out is to send the password in an SMS.

    SMS is totally in the clear, and probably all logged - forever.


    Not as secure,especially if your phone is stolen, but if
    you delete the message, it should protect you from 99% of
    the cases where you will need encryption.

    Deleting an SMS on your phone, maybe. But all those messages
    are accessible to the people who work in the phone industry.



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Ogg on Tuesday, April 26, 2022 18:09:00
    Ogg wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <6266CAFF.5137.dove-int@capitolcityonline.net>
    @REPLY: <6265E1A9.5336.dove-int@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Hello Boraxman!

    ** On Monday 25.04.22 - 09:47, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:

    Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the same
    book, and use something like this:

    passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)

    --
    A workable idea, definately.

    Two people can even establish a "phrase" based on a favourite
    "anything" (a food item, wine, tech toy, book, etc..) ..and
    simply pre-establish that you will use the first or last 5-
    digits of the product code (or in the case of a book, part of
    the isbn number.)

    I get totally frustrated when some people send me eTransfers
    and they put the answer to the passphrase right in the message
    box (even when the system expressly reminds the user NOT to do
    that.)

    Or, they use something really simple like "the town you live
    in". Anyone who knows me would know the answer to that.

    It's a sad commentary that some people just don't appreciate
    the relevance of keeping things like passphrases and passwords
    private.

    High trust in some cases. I did admin work, and people had no issue leaving me passwords. This was a while ago, and sometimes they wanted me to help them with their home computer, again, they just left me with the passwords.

    The post-it notes with passwords were always a headache.


    Another simple option, if you're just looking for the "keep
    prying eyes who might steal my laptop/gain my password"
    people out is to send the password in an SMS.

    SMS is totally in the clear, and probably all logged - forever.


    Not as secure,especially if your phone is stolen, but if
    you delete the message, it should protect you from 99% of
    the cases where you will need encryption.

    Deleting an SMS on your phone, maybe. But all those messages
    are accessible to the people who work in the phone industry.

    The level of security you need, is based on the threat. SMS's are in the clear, but it would take a lot of work to match an SMS with with an account, particularly if you say by e-mail you'll send the password by SMS, and send the password by SMS alone, without any other information.

    Someone could attack, but for the most part, if your laptop is stolen for example, your safe, or any other compromise of your computer/e-mail.

    Not ideal, but far better than sending it in the same email.

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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CAUGHT to Ogg on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 12:15:00
    Ogg wrote to All <=-

    "Betterbird. Simply better.

    "Betterbird is a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird,
    Thunderbird on steroids, if you will.

    Okay, I finally downloaded it. It looks the same. Hopefully, it works better.

    I hope.

    Brian Klauss <-> Dream Master
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